Monday, July 30, 2007


The simple facts of temperatures:

* 1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
* ~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
* ~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)

Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

It is simply impossible for a hydrocarbon and office furnishings fire burning in air to melt steel, it just doesn't happen. Yet SOMETHING caused large quantities of molten iron and/or steel to accumulate in the basements of all three WTC buildings that collapsed to the ground and apparently some steel was even VAPORIZED that day.


The melted steel in the basements has been documented in videos and photos (some shown below) of glowing red and orange debris dripping molten metal as it is scooped out of pooled molten material below. In some cases this was MANY WEEKS after 9/11 and MANY WEEKS after constant soaking with firehoses, THIS WAS NOT JUST A JET FUEL AND OFFICE FURNISHINGS FIRE as supporters of the official conspiracy theory would like you to believe.

Dr. Steven Jones has analyzed these metal residues

WTC Construction

The photos below were taken during WTC construction and show the heavy steel beams used. Photos from Dr. Steven Jone's paper Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?.

The photo below shows the layout of the central 47 massive steel colums relative to the floor area and the outer skin which was made of lighter steel columns.

Molten Steel Poured From Upper Floors Before Collapse

Photos below are from Dr. Steven Jone's paper Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?. They show what appears to be molten metal flowing from WTC upper floors before the collapse of the building.

The official NIST report noted the presence before the building collapse of an "unusual flame" burning white hot and producing white smoke in the photo below. A white flame is indicative of extreme high temperature which would be achievable by incendiaries like thermite but certainly not by jet fuel or office furnishings burning in air:

Some have suggested that the flowing molten metal could have been aluminum from office furnishings and plane wreckage (that must have somehow been heated in some kind of container that spontaneously formed and then dumped its contents out the windows) but the problem with that idea is that molten aluminum does not glow reddish when molten, for two reasons: 1) it melts at lower temperatures (which could almost conceivably be achieved by jet fuel and office furnishings) but does not glow red at such low temperatures, and 2) aluminum's properties being different from iron and steel (see below) causes it to not glow red even at temperatures where iron or steel might. Below is a photograph of molten aluminum being poured so that you can see it shows no trace of a red glow.

Metal Temperature by Color

The text and temperature graphic below were taken from Dr. Steven Jone's paper Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?.

The following table (see ) provides data regarding the melting temperatures of lead, aluminum, structural steel and iron, along with approximate metal temperatures by color. Note that the approximate temperature of a hot metal is given by its color, quite independent of the composition of the metal. (A notable exception is falling liquid aluminum, which due to low emissivity and high reflectivity appears silvery-gray in daylight conditions, after falling through air 1-2 meters, regardless of the temperature at which the poured-out aluminum left the vessel. Aluminum does incandesce (glow) like other metals, but faintly, so that with the conditions described in the previous sentence (which prevailed at the WTC on 9/11), falling liquid aluminum will appear silvery-gray. Rapid oxidation of the hot flowing aluminum will contribute to the observed appearance. [Experiments: Jones, 2006])

For comparison, the official NIST study which examined WTC steel that had actually been exposed to fire at higher floors near the points of impact found that the maximum temperaturess achieved were about 600 degrees C., far lower than necessary to melt steel or even soften it to the point of structural failure. No explanation for this apparent discrepancy with the official conspiracy theory was offered.

Molten Metal In The Rubble

Firefighters and cleanup crews encountered puddles of molten metal in the weeks after 9/11 even though the rubble had undergone nearly constant soaking with firehoses.

Below glowing hot metal can be seen at the ends of debris being pulled out of the molten puddles. Shills will often claim that this should have destroyed the shovels as if by that distraction they would like you to believe that pictures like these must somehow be fabrications. In fact a heavy steel shovel could even be dunked into molten steel without immediately melting because it takes some time for steel in contact with such hot metal to itself heat up to the same temperature and melt. And we don't know that some shovels digging into molten steel didn't suffer some damage.

Sunday, July 29, 2007

Cutter Charges and WTC Cut Columns

Photo below shows demolition charges being set; note the angle of the intended cut so that the cut ends will slide apart to bring the building down. Some have said that the quantity of thermite or other demolition materials needed to bring down WTC 1 or 2 or even 7 would be so great that their installation couldn't have gone undetected but you can see here that demolition technology includes very slim and compact "cutter charges" for quickly cutting through thick supporting beams.

Closeup of a cut WTC column below, click on the image to enlarge it, like most of the images on this page. Note the extensive slag dripping down the front and also inside the column in the back. Some have maintained that this column must have been cut by ironworkers clearing the rubble, but that would be a terribly messy cut for a cutting torch and why would an ironworker make a cut at such an angle when it is far less work to cut more or less straight across? Most of the edges are rounded and sloppy, especially the unevenness of the back of the column suggests this column was not cut by an ironworker, anyone who's every used a cutting torch would be embarassed by a cut so terribly sloppy. I believe this cut is good evidence of a controlled demolition.

Some more cut WTC columns below with some clearly showing similarly diagonal cuts which would be expected in a controlled demolition, and not likely cut that way by ironworkers.

Photos from Dr. Steven Jone's paper Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?.

Samples of the previously molten metal

Photo below shows a large piece of the now-solidified metal with entrained material, stored (as of November 2005) in a warehouse in New York. From Dr. Steven Jone's paper Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?. The image is divided horizontally in two pieces, click on either one to examine it more closely.

Rust indicates the presence of iron and/or steel. This sample of previously molten metal has inclusions of what appear to be reinforced concrete and likely other materials. Some have suggested that some or all of this metal could be aluminum but aluminum does not alloy with steel nor does it rust like steel. There are however some granular areas top center of the top photo above which look like they might be small deposits of aluminum which would be expected to float on top of any molten steel. A great deal of forensic analysis remains to be performed on this and the other chunks of molten iron/steel found in the basements of WTC 1, 2, and 7.

ANOTHER chunk of molten iron/steel has been preserved for (hopefully) later forensic analysis, this one has less rust but is very dense with fewer concrete inclusions and is called The Meteorite.

There are probably better pictures of The Meteorite, the one above was pulled out of a good YouTube video which summarizes a lot of discussion and evidence about the molten iron/steel found:

9/11: WTC High Temperatures & Molten Steel

Labels: ,

Strange Illogical Behaviors May Point To Killers

NOTICE how the SAME LYING RIGHT-WING SHILLS keep coming back to "debunking" the truth movement, as if truth was something that should be debunked? You may have seen them buzzing the topic, day after day, week after week, like flies on shit. Which makes sense in a way too because so much bullshit is spread around in the forums. They just want to deny deny deny and when that gets old and they get trapped in a corner they can't answer they try other gambits to shift attention away from core issues. In the case of this blog's focal point on molten metal, try bringing it up as a topic somewhere (anywhere practically there's any active discussion of 9/11 truth) and you will see the shills quickly start hollering about how the steel must have gotten hot enough to soften and collapse the buildings, which is of course the OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY. Well okay maybe that's a topic for discussion too and maybe it's even a possibility if you can show any mechanism whereby the steel could have softened enough to collapse the building, BUT THAT IS NOT THE FRIGGING TOPIC. THE TOPIC IS THE MOLTEN METAL IN THE BASEMENTS, THAT CONSTITUTES A SMOKING GUN BECAUSE IT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED BY THE OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY. If the discussion does wander off in the shill's distracted direction without you or someone else doggedly bringing it back again and again, you lose. But if you continue to keep the discussion on track the inevitable conclusion by any impartial observer then has to be that 1) the official conspiracy theory cannot explain how this could be possible, and 2) thermite and/or other demolition materials COULD explain how puddles of molten iron and steel could have formed in the basements of all three World Trade Center buildings that collapsed to the ground in what looked remarkably like controlled demolitions - WTCs 1, 2, and 7. Remember WTC 7 was never even hit by an airplane and Larry Silverstein is on record as saying it was "pulled", demo slang for firing the explosives to bring a building down. Sorry got distracted, maybe I'll edit this post sometime but for the moment I am shooting first and asking questions later, meaning it can all be sorted out by topic but some things are important to get out before they're lost. But let me return to the original topic. It was supposed to focus on the unusual behaviors of certain people who seem to devote very large amounts of time "debunking" the search for 9/11 truth, which usually takes the form of a very aggressively bullying type of individual indulging in a lot of name-calling and ad hominem arguments. They are usually quickly identifiable as right-wingers by their intolerant views and demeaning attitude toward all others. They are quick to verbally attack with nothing more than some fantasy they've made up in their heads, and frequently they turn sexual. Usually when they do (this is the funniest part of their personalities IMO) their fantasies go homosexual, coming completely out of their own filthy minds and not anyone else's 99% of the time. I think it is very likely that a common origin of their homosexual fantasies also explains why, when a conservative is caught in a sex scandal, it is more likely than not to be a homo sex scandal. It's sweet irony since right-wingers so loudly and arrogantly condemn homosexuality so much, but it's also telling in the way they like to use it so freely in their ad hominems. They're practically obsessed a lot of the time. You'd almost think they were getting off sometimes they get so graphic, it's almost funny to observe if you can handle the abuse. Unfortunately some people can't and become offended and just leave or never dare participate (probably a large part of the reason for the shills' bullying in the first place), but people shouldn't shy away from such bullies, it only encourages them. Instead if you confront them with reason and logic and only acknowledge their ad hominems as recognizing what they are ("there you go with your right-wing name-calling again, is that the best you can do to muster an argument for your position?"). Never let it affect you, realize it is just a stranger's pathology going on, it isn't about you at all but about the kind of sick mind who would actually conceive in his mind much less put down in text those things -- which is also the kind of sick mind that would also work to cover up mass murder. The best thing is to just point it out calmly how barbarity does not substitute for reason, again and again until they get tired of having it pointed out to them. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it is helpful when they are especially arrogantly profane is to ask them what Jesus would think of their words and opinions, since right-wingers for some reason usually consider themselves Christian (which they are only in name, they shame Jesus Christ's message and purpose). In a way you have to outbully the bully, but with harsh logic and reason instead of only harsh words. You are always far better verbally armed than an opponent if you have logic and reason on your side, as we do here.

Loud arrogant lying right-wingers are infesting public forums everywhere. What motivates them? Who can they be, to be so absolutely sure that all the evidence isn't evidence after all? Why are they always repeating the same things over and over acting as if they never heard the first ten dozen responses? Why are they investing so much time, SO MUCH TIME, don't they have another job or ever something else to do? Or ARE they doing their job? Why are they always trying to deny the obvious and sidetrack discussions away into meaninglessness? I would like to know the answers to these kinds of questions, and many more.

Some shills even go so far as to MAKE THEIR OWN "DEBUNKING" VIDEOS, as if they have nothing else to do! See 911NeverForget's videos on YouTube for an example of the kind of completely deceptive and lying work they do.

It seems unlikely that an otherwise good and normal person would practically devote their life to something that they claim is baloney. I know I would never spend a great deal of time conerned about something I didn't believe in unless I had some kind of stake in the outcome somehow. I cannot believe that any sane person would do otherwise, which leads me to these conclusions:


A GOOD REASON IMPLIES AN UNSTATED AGENDA (See Wikipedia: shill definition)




Once it becomes clear that for certain people who behave as if it is their career to spend all their time "debunking" 9/11 the point eventually comes when you have to consider that they may well be paid or personally involved agents of the coverup. If that is true (even just once) then that opens the possibility they can be tracked back to the real 9/11 killers. Law enforcement is able to track everyone on the Web these days through server logs and the NSA spy database too so as soon as someone with a conscience cracks or a serious investigation is begun, they should be able to track down all the 9/11 accomplices to mass murder presently working coverup detail.

Some shills may simply be right-wing zealots working on their own, religious or otherwise, thinking they're protecting Bush and Cheney by denying the truth and evidence pointing to 9/11 being an inside job: volunteer shills rather than paid shills. They may be able to slip the legal noose if no evidence can be found that they are paid, but they will know the social punishment of willfull collaboration when the truth is finally known.

What Do You Think?

The Frappr map below will indicate where you are in the world and allow you to tell us what you think about 9/11 being an inside job. Do you support the OFFICIAL conspiracy theory, do you have an AGENDA you're promoting annd would like us to believe? Or do you have an HONEST OPINION BASED ON THE FACTS? Please use the controls on the map below to join up and tell your opinion. Don't forget to upload a picture!

Saturday, July 28, 2007

More Resources has extensive documentation on the molten metal found at the bases of WTCs 1,2, and 7. If you have any doubts about the presence of molten metal this site will dispel them.

Richard Gage, AIA, Architect - "How The Towers Fell" Professional architect Richard Gage presents detailed evidence suitable for a court of law showing how the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were destroyed by controlled demolition. Mr. Gage presents extensive evidence of the molten steel found.

Architects and Engineers for Truth

Stop Lying

Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice

Journal of 911 Studies

Pilots for 9/11 Truth

Loose Change the video that kick-started the 9/11 Truth movement